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Flying Ring
« on: August 15, 2005, 06:58:52 PM »
Just found this fab site.. I have been an inventor of sorts since a kid.. worked out the electric motor when 11 years old.. my Dad had laid down the proposition  that there could be no perpetual motion.. my answer was an electric motor of sorts ..didnt overcome the perpetual motion thing but it sure surprise my Dad.. after many law real estate ond various businesses.. I never got to pattent anything (thankfully in retrospect) ..my closest was a hollow fishing rod where the line travelled thru the inside of the rod .. the idea was to prevent line curling around the rod tip when night fishing.. (such a situation met an immediate break off and this system worked fine) I drafted the patent papers and was redrawing the plans to go with the application, I also made a proto type which I caught a 2 lb bream on within 2 hours of its completion. However it was already done.. I found out by staring at one in the tackle shop..the insult it carried the same reel that I fitted on the proto type.. I was convinced it would make millions (recreational fishing is a massive market).. anyways that took the wind out of my sails. But ideas still pop in..
My latest idea that I cant get away from is a flying ring.. imagine joining the wings of a bi plan at the extremities and then drawing the wings up in a ring configuration (slightly canterlevered back) remove the fusilage from the cockpit back  and you have the general idea.. Reason for the design I figued it should be extremly stable because it would be impossible to blow it upside down in anything but a tornado.. further it should guide well if the motors died.. fool proof maybe..
What do you think ..if you can understand the approach?
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2005, 08:56:55 PM »
well you just described my life
my mum said one day she would love a helicopter to just fly around in and at just beginning high school and having acess to metal work shop i designed and built a ram jet engind about 20 inches long. the idea was to place it on the end of the rotors of the helicopter and drive the blades that way ( hillier did the same a year later as did one other inventor) so the big day came and i filled it up with meths, put it on a long ballanced pole in the centre of dads garden? ?and lit it up .
at first it flared? with a long flame then it started to roar and spun round really well till? there was a mighty bang and the meths tank blew up.
when dad came home he noticed the peas and beans in the garden were a bit singed.
my tremulous reply? ?"err the sun(son) dad"

dad was an engineer, and understood, and just asked me not to do it again.

i was blessed with a picture memory for mechanical things and can recall things as if looking at a foggy picture from 60 years ago.

anyway the ringed aeroplane has been tried in model form? and yes it is very stable and the problem is it is too stable and hard to controll it? as it tends to go straight and wants to stay upright when you want it to turn and bank.

i sypathise with the rod invention? i have often started on some thing and a little research finds that it was done years ago.
always behind the 8 ball.
im still working on an electric fishing? reel its a fairly easy thing to make but i dont enjoy fishing so it is ready to go but? just lying some where in the depths of the workshop.
inventions are only good if there is a demand for them and a good business plan to go with it.



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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2005, 01:06:59 AM »
Thanks for that Piersdad, I felt that the stability would be there, not a problem to turn it just needs thought. Anyways that is sufficient to stop me thinking about it as it appears there was some merit.
I also "invented" a "trumpet mirror lens" and posted that idea on astronomy daily after a few people questioning the possibilities someone announced that it was this set up used in the Chandos?? X ray scope in Chille. Although I was disappointed to find it out there it was satisfiying in so far as my idea was viable. I gave up on the idea because it had been done but recently I have been thinking that if one used such a set up for a scope optical purpose the resolution to app. would be excellent and presumably superiour to current telescopes. My idea was to reflect the gathered light from the "trumpet mirror" via a convex mirror to a camera.. if one could produce these they would (i believe) be superior to current approaches to light paths. And that says to me commercial opportunity (for someone else) I wouldnt have time to bank the money. As a mate said to me when I was working on the hollow rod... "mate it doesnt matter if it works if is new everyone will want one. That offended part of me but I realised there was some truth in that statement. Production of the "trumpet mirror to me is impossible but maybe the son of a tollerant engineer would not find it so. But on my humble (caveman like calculations I think the mirror could be sperical as opposed to parrabolic.. an aspect that I would think would make production simpler. The mirror reflects the light at a sharp angle like a stone skipping on water and I see major advantages both in image quality and wave tollerance. A ruff trumpet should beat a super reflector set up hands down.  I will check the observatorys name and post a link to details of their mirrors. I would be interested in your opinions as to the practicallity of constructing such a mirror.
I wish I had gradchildren I have two 30 year plus kids who havent produced one yet.. So I am hoping.. I have a 7 year old daughter as a gene pool back up.. sortta a late life surprise ( i,m 57 maybe 58?).
And taking about it being done before I invented a paddle which when pushed out from the back of the boat propelled it and folded in for the back stroke.. I built one and it worked very well.. however I saw some old Chinese drawings and saw what could only be my paddle there.. and it was a 1000 year plus drawing.. so what can you do. I gain satisfation however seeing things already out there, like the mirror the flying ring because it makes me feel less of a dreamer.
Thanks again I will track down that link.
alex

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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2005, 01:16:29 AM »
I think this is the link.. didnt remeber the name of the observatory correctly sorry
http://chandra.harvard.edu/resources/animations/mirror.html
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2005, 05:42:46 AM »
just learnt some thing new there  x rays dont like being reflected so a mirror will deflect xrays  so here is an idea for a shield from xrays.
a slightly curved reflective surface ( like the vee of a plow) and when behind this shield the x rays will bounce off the shield and get reflected away.
less shielding in lead required and possibley a light weight system of shieldind astronaughts. :-D
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2005, 10:17:35 PM »
Hi there back from the bush, found out there is a small plane with a similar wing design. See it at astronomydaily.com also I did an artisit impression of the scope.Alex
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2005, 07:24:43 AM »
hi joined your forum its very comprehensive
cpould not find your post you mentioned can you give a direct link
the icon above the reply which if you hover the mouse pointer over it it will say insert hyperlink
http://forums.astronomydaily.com/viewtopic.php?p=17163&highlight=#17163

it starts with [ url] and ends with? [ /url? no space between [ and url]
anyway will search your forum more today
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2005, 12:16:03 PM »
Hi there.
I think this is the link to the scope, only a drawing no one has bitten into the concept.. I will rev it up and see if I can get some feedback. I will be back to link the flying ring later.

Alex
http://forums.astronomydaily.com/viewtopic.php?t=3836
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2005, 12:21:53 PM »
and this is the flying ring post
http://forums.astronomydaily.com/viewtopic.php?t=3878
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2005, 11:00:07 AM »
Made a paper proto type. Rolledand glued  an a4 sheet of paper lenghtwise into a tube and cut across at 45 degrees to make wings about 1 inch wide. Folded in a small fueselage added a blob of blue tack a little trimming and it flies very well.. sadly somewhat better upside down if flattened a bit.and does it look futuristic or what  .but it certainly flies very well..try it takes a minute or two.
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2005, 12:49:23 PM »
used to make this sort with a straw and 2 pieces of rolled paper attached.
then use a smaller straw inside the larger one and by blowing through the smaller one it glides very well.
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2005, 09:49:55 PM »
It was a surprise that it flew so well, but cause it did and I can see that a larger model would also work well it has taken my desire to do it away.. like I now know I was right so why bother further... I need that approach to minimise the projects around the place.
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2005, 10:02:40 PM »
you are a bit like me
read the story about the 'helicopter' found out it would work but needed so much research i had to stop
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Re: Flying Ring
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2010, 08:35:52 AM »
found this aeroplane from Russia
elipcial wing plane
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